Honda Pan-European ST1100AY  
Honda Pan European ST1100AY
Information I put together prior to selling the bike.
Some essential details. Some callers had indicated that they had seen other bikes at a much cheaper price. Maybe they were trying it on, but it is possible that they didn't appreciate the difference between the ABS and non ABS versions.

Interesting experience selling the bike. I had a good selection of enthusiastic calls. Distance to travel put a lot of people off. The high mileage on the bike put a couple off. Some people didn't read the information provided and were not that serious. Some callers twigged that I wasn't going to be messed around and I heard no more from them.

Then there were the scams. Two callers, not wanting ot leave anything but first name, but wanted loads of whereabouts information from me were put off when I directed them to this page. Good ! 5 emails came in wanting more specific information - address, home number etc. Wanted to send a cheque for the bike and to cover the cost of transport to Ireland - which they would arrange. Cheque to be posted. They quoted 3-5 days for it to clear, after which bike would be collected by their 'agent'. One of these was a little less obvious - sending out an email expressing interest. I replied asking him to read the information in the advert and on this website, and to get in touch if he was still interested. This was his reply.

Two points here.

1) It takes about 10 days before funds can be drawn against a bank draft. after 5 days, the cheque may have 'cleared' and appear in your bank balance - but it may still bounce when you try to access the funds. Which is of course what these criminals rely on.

2) What if.....transporter turns up for the bike - which I hand over. Person who sent the cheque then denies all knowledge of the transporter.

Some of these emails can be quite believable - especially when you are hoping that you have a sale on your hands. There are a lot of people out there ready to rip you off. I was fortunate enough not to be in a hurry to sell. And Al, who eventually bought the bike, was the sort of bloke who puts your faith back into the human race.


Funny story though. I paid the cash into the building society, and they used those special pens which leave no mark on proper bank notes, but leave a black mark on any other sort of paper. The cashier drew a line across one of the £50 notes. Black. She then did another, and another. All black. You get a horrible sinking feeling in your tummy, at which point the cashier looks up and says - "Sorry, I picked up the wrong pen".

Anyway - on to the original contents of this page:


This is well below the Parker's guide price for a good quality bike of this age, and considerably below the price that would be asked by a dealer.

Visit Parker's website here.

Viewing:

I would expect a serious buyer to want to have a good look at the bike and ensure for themselves that the bike is in good working order. I've worked on the bike a lot, and have kept it in good trim and excellent mechanical condition. I will be able to answer most of what you want to know. If you are just looking, I'm happy to ride out to meet you somewhere. If you are definitley buying, then the business will be conducted at my home address.

Test Riding.

My insurance will not cover you or it for a test ride. Your insurance will not cover my risks ! I can take you for a ride on the pillion if you wish. I know its not the same thing, but it will demonstrate what you need to know.

Buying.

If you decide to buy, then we need to make arrangements to ensure that payment is received and cleared before the bike can be handed over. For cheques, building society cheques, bankers drafts etc this will take a good few days for payment to clear. If you intend to pay by cash, then you will be able to deposit the money into my local bank account - so a pre-arranged visit during banking hours is essential. As seller, I have to ensure the details of the buyer are accurate for the DVLA - so I would expect to see some identification - passport or driving licence with your photo and address would be brilliant.

Paperwork

I imagine that you will want to check that everything is in order before you buy. I would !

i) The Vehicle registration document V5C. I am the registered keeper, and you will be buying from my home address which is on the V5C document.
ii) MOTs - I have all of them from the first MOT at Oct 1 2003 at 19333 miles.
iii) Chasis and engine numbers. Feel free to check them out !
iv) Vehicle identity check. Something you will have to do for yourself - but you can do it before you buy the bike.
v) Original receipts, and receipts for components used in servicing.
vi) Own detailed service record.
vii) You may want some proof of my identity. No problem.
viii) DataTag documentation, and Spyball instructions & code.

Haggling

You can try, but I'm not really interested. This is an excellent example of this bike, well worth the asking price. If you want a cheaper version, then you will probably need to set your sights on a machine which needs much more work. Before you go elsewhere though, consider the things that you will need to fork out for on the other bike when you get it ! (See the 'To Check For' button on the menu on the left). ABS vs Non ABS Remember when you are looking around that this model is the later ABS version with traction control and combined braking system (CBS). CBS balances the braking forces between the front and rear wheels. Apply the rear brake, and a smaller proportion of the braking forces go to the front wheel. Apply the front brake, and a well controlled force is applied to the rear wheel. Traction Control stops the rear wheel spinning up if you catch a patch of gravel or oil when accelerating away. There is a nice document here which shows the various models of Pan. Mine is the variety that is photographed at the bottom of page 5 - ST1100 ABS-TCS-CBS. (Except mine is the 2000 Model). Note the grey shroud behind the middle of the front forks, below the mudguards - which protects the ABS and CBS mechanism. Note the longer, black, 3 piston brake callipers which provide the much needed extra braking force. All versions of the Pan European are heavy. You hardly notice it when riding, but stopping really requires the extra power that the 3 piston callipers provide. I've owned both versions. The brakes on this model are much more up to the job - and the ABS is definitely worth having. Spotting the ABS can be difficult from a photo. Close up - look for the pulsar ring on the right of both wheels. Look for the different array of lights on the dash. Extra switches on the left fairing pocket give a clue, but could have been added later to switch other equipment, so are not a conclusive indicator.

Front Wheel - Brake Styles

Rear Wheel ABS vs Non ABS

From a 1996 Non ABS/P>

Twin piston calliper. Appears on non-ABS Pans and on Pans with standard ABS without CBS

From ABS/TCS/CBS

Note the grey shroud, the 3-piston black calliper - both indicative of the ABS & CBS systems. White paper to pick out pulsar ring behind disk. Click image for detail.

From a 1996 Non ABS

From a 2000 ABS

Note the pulsar ring and the pulse sensor & connecting wire. Click image for detail.

 

 

These pages relate to a bike which I owned, rode and serviced from when I bought it at 19,300 miles to when I sold it at 70,100 miles. The pages were intended to provide information to a prospective buyer, but are maintained here as information for anyone who may be interested.

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